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now, i am old enough to remember when walter mondale beat ronald reagan in the first debate. no, my god. walter mondale will be president of the united states. of course, reagan came back. that is when he made his famous statement. i won't use my opponent's age and experience in this debate. but then, i think the ice presidential debate is important because that is coming up thursday. i think that paul ryan has also come across as being presidential. could this guy to fahey is pretty young. gerri: big expectations. i expect 55% ryan, biden 39. >> while. gerri: when the expectations are that high a is easy to give it up. >> that is true, as barack obama learned. i would let joe biden do as much stocking. you never know when he's going to stuff his foot in his mouth. he has done it multiple times over the last few weeks. gerri: romney's court in that debate on issues that he really wanted to talk about, jobs and the deficit. my understanding is that you just looked at this today and found obama scored 20 on the deficit and romney scored 41. when the team to jobs, 24357. run the
now, i am old enough to remember when walter mondale beat ronald reagan in the first debate. no, my god. walter mondale will be president of the united states. of course, reagan came back. that is when he made his famous statement. i won't use my opponent's age and experience in this debate. but then, i think the ice presidential debate is important because that is coming up thursday. i think that paul ryan has also come across as being presidential. could this guy to fahey is pretty young....
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this is looking very much like 1984 and ronald reagan. unemployment down, people back to work. melissa: thanks for coming on the show. we appreciate your time. >> my pleasure. melissa: so there is big divide in the jobs data today, as we're discussing household survey shows total employment surged 873,000, but payroll says only 114,000 people went back to work. even jack welch said it, hard to reconcile these numbers. he tweeted, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do anything. can't debate so they change the numbers. that is harsh criticism. here with me is economist peter morici. which also have gary burtless, senior fellow? [no audio. what do you think. what a difference between the two surveys. peter, start with you. >> the bls is not cooking the numbers. i believe that. they don't do such a thing. there a anomalies. household survey counts self-employed people. a lot of people established home based business. they have been dissipating savings. that doesn't mean they're fully employed. to have 800,000 jobs created that would be 6% gain in employment in one m
this is looking very much like 1984 and ronald reagan. unemployment down, people back to work. melissa: thanks for coming on the show. we appreciate your time. >> my pleasure. melissa: so there is big divide in the jobs data today, as we're discussing household survey shows total employment surged 873,000, but payroll says only 114,000 people went back to work. even jack welch said it, hard to reconcile these numbers. he tweeted, unbelievable jobs numbers. these chicago guys will do...
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i was there with ronald reagan. he gave specifics in terms of tax expenditures. 97% of the small businesses make less than $250,000. hedge funds that make $600 million a year. let's look at how sincere they are. governor romney on "60 minutes," 10 days ago, was asked, you pay 14% on $20 million. someone making $50,000 pays more than that. do think that is fair? he said, yes, that is fair. you think these guys are going to cut those loopholes? the biggest loophole they take advantage of is that carried interest loophole and capital gains loophole. there is not enough -- the reason why the american enterprise institute study, the reason they all say it is going to go up for the middle class, the only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes is cut the mortgage deduction for middle-class people. cut the health care deduction for middle-class people. that is why -- >> he is wrong about that. >> not mathematically possible. >> it has been done before. >> it has never been done before. >> it has been done a couple of tim
i was there with ronald reagan. he gave specifics in terms of tax expenditures. 97% of the small businesses make less than $250,000. hedge funds that make $600 million a year. let's look at how sincere they are. governor romney on "60 minutes," 10 days ago, was asked, you pay 14% on $20 million. someone making $50,000 pays more than that. do think that is fair? he said, yes, that is fair. you think these guys are going to cut those loopholes? the biggest loophole they take advantage...
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i was there with ronald reagan. he gave specifics in terms of tax expenditures. 97% of the small businesses pay less than -- make less than $250,000. adds funds -- hedge funds that makes $600 million a year. let's look at how sincere they are. governor romney, 10 days ago, was asked, you pay 14% on $20 million. someone making $50,000 paid more than that. do think that is fair? he said, yes, that is fair. you think these guys are going to cut those loopholes? the biggest loophole they take advantage is that carried interest loophole and capital gains loophole. there is not enough -- the reason why the study, the american enterprise institute study, the reason they all say it is going to go up for the middle class, the only way you can find $5 trillion and loopholes is cut the mortgage deduction for middle-class people. cut the health care deduction for middle-class people. that is why -- >> she is wrong about that. you can still preserve these -- he is wrong about that. >> not mathematically possible. >> it has been
i was there with ronald reagan. he gave specifics in terms of tax expenditures. 97% of the small businesses pay less than -- make less than $250,000. adds funds -- hedge funds that makes $600 million a year. let's look at how sincere they are. governor romney, 10 days ago, was asked, you pay 14% on $20 million. someone making $50,000 paid more than that. do think that is fair? he said, yes, that is fair. you think these guys are going to cut those loopholes? the biggest loophole they take...
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bush" similar to ronald reagan's foreign-policy. they do not want to be in his corner. at the same time, they want to take advantage of the traditional republican strength. they believe they are tougher when it comes to national security. he's trying to solve that dilemma by saying he wants to avoid war by spending more on the military. he does not want to scare off any independent voters but at the same time he wants to satisfy his conservative clients. >> let's look at the broader campaign. last week, he got a big boost from winning that the raid against obama. the polling numbers also looking better for him now. is the obama campaign worried? >> nervous, there is no question, but as there has been some significant change in some of the most important swing states, ohio and florida. things change on a daily basis here. we have not factored that in yet for the new unemployment numbers that came out friday that are in obama's favor. this will be a very, very close race matter what anyone says. we will know on election day how it plays out. they will have to fight until
bush" similar to ronald reagan's foreign-policy. they do not want to be in his corner. at the same time, they want to take advantage of the traditional republican strength. they believe they are tougher when it comes to national security. he's trying to solve that dilemma by saying he wants to avoid war by spending more on the military. he does not want to scare off any independent voters but at the same time he wants to satisfy his conservative clients. >> let's look at the broader...
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reagan who. will leave that whole thing to your judgment but we will say campaigning has come a long way since jack kennedy's era though he was part of a paradigm shift where candidates used t.v. to sway public opinion is as similarly powerful transformation now upon us our gas to victory lab off their soft isenberg says political campaigns have historically been resistant to innovation will tell us how this has changed and we often talk about algorithmic trading what about algorithmic campaigning oh yeah we'll talk about the data mining modeling and scientific techniques being used to win votes and get voters to polls in this election and just like in finance we'll talk about the challenges brought on by complexity plus the e.u. wins the nobel peace prize. we'll talk about it in loose change and respond to some of your viewer feedback let's get to today's capital account. last night was the veep debate in the us and if you pay attention to the message the commentary the fact checking the alterna
reagan who. will leave that whole thing to your judgment but we will say campaigning has come a long way since jack kennedy's era though he was part of a paradigm shift where candidates used t.v. to sway public opinion is as similarly powerful transformation now upon us our gas to victory lab off their soft isenberg says political campaigns have historically been resistant to innovation will tell us how this has changed and we often talk about algorithmic trading what about algorithmic...
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look at ronald reagan, it gets right down to it, these horrible tragedies occur -- neil: you don't think it is an issue that drives and -- [talking over each other] >> let's get to the bottom of the facts. neil: senator, maybe you can enlighten me. when vice president biden was talking about those of the upper income, those earning a million dollars or more, the party has argued it is the 250,000-dollar threshold. the vice president just raise that? >> you referred to both because both have been debating and voting on the senate. but the position of the administration, which biden said clearly, turning the paul ryan, why won't you a least let us preserve the middle class tax cuts for those making under $250,000. neil: he kept mentioning 1 million. >> there were several illustrations there. neil: so was he talking about the change of the administration? >> i don't think so. we voted on both plants. the most recent preserve the tax cut for those -- neil: so it's not a million comments 250,000? >> i still do. i still think so. the republican filibuster stopped us from preserving these middl
look at ronald reagan, it gets right down to it, these horrible tragedies occur -- neil: you don't think it is an issue that drives and -- [talking over each other] >> let's get to the bottom of the facts. neil: senator, maybe you can enlighten me. when vice president biden was talking about those of the upper income, those earning a million dollars or more, the party has argued it is the 250,000-dollar threshold. the vice president just raise that? >> you referred to both because...
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. >> look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together to broaden the base and lower tax rates. what we're saying is, here is our frame work. lower taxes 20%. 1.1 million in loopholes and deductions. deny those loopholes and deductions to higher-income taxpayers so more income is taxed, which has a broader base of taxation. and here is why i'm saying this. what we're saying -- >> i hope i get time to respond to this? >> you will get time. >> we want to work with congress, that means specifically. >> no specific. >> what we're saying is lower tax rates 20%. >> and you guarantee this math will add up. >> six studies have guaranteed and said this math adds up. >> let me translate. >> i'll come back in a second, right? >> i was there when ronald reagan you gave tax rates, he gave specifics of what he would cut in terms of taxan expenditures. 90% of small businesses in america make less than 250,000. let me tell you who other small businesses are. hedge funds, that make $600, $800 million a year. that will count as small b
. >> look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together to broaden the base and lower tax rates. what we're saying is, here is our frame work. lower taxes 20%. 1.1 million in loopholes and deductions. deny those loopholes and deductions to higher-income taxpayers so more income is taxed, which has a broader base of taxation. and here is why i'm saying this. what we're saying -- >> i hope i get time to respond to this? >> you will get time. >> we want to...
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>> look at what -- look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together out of a frame work to lower tax rates and broaden the base and fix na. we are saying, here's our frame work, lower tax rates 20%. we raised $1.2 trillion in income taxes and forego $1.1 trillion in loophole deductions. we are saying, deny the loopholes and deductions to higher-income taxpayers, so more of their income is taxed -- >> can i translate? >> to lower the tax rates across the board. what we are saying -- >> i hope i get time to respond-- >>> you will get time. >> we want to work with congress on how best to achieve this. >> martha: no specifics? >> lower tax rates 20%, start with the wealthy. work with congress to do it? >> martha: you guarantee this math will add up. >> six studies have guaranteed and verified. >> martha: vice-president -- [overlapping dialogue] >> let me translate. let me have a chance to translate. >> first of all, i was there when ronald reagan tax rates and he gave specifics of what he was going to cut, number 1 nterms of tax expen
>> look at what -- look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together out of a frame work to lower tax rates and broaden the base and fix na. we are saying, here's our frame work, lower tax rates 20%. we raised $1.2 trillion in income taxes and forego $1.1 trillion in loophole deductions. we are saying, deny the loopholes and deductions to higher-income taxpayers, so more of their income is taxed -- >> can i translate? >> to lower the tax rates across the...
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when ronald reagan got into office, he started regulating everything. before he got out of office, missouri was losing its shoe factories. in 1991, our factory closed and sold as several others. -- and so did several others. these people are not for the american people. they are out for the rich people in this country and i think it is sad when a democrat gets into office, they turn into bullies. they don't want the democrats to get a thing done. i think it is so pathetic. they are getting paid to work for this country and instead they are just a bunch of bullies. host: what about her sentiment? guest: i think vice president joe biden is interested in these issues. one thing he has worked and in the by president say is a task force or a commission -- in the vice presidency is a task force to work on this. these issues about jobs being exported and jobs leaving and about diminished security for the middle-class -- the questions that joe biden has thought a lot about. at a general level, he would be quite comfortable talking about this with paul ryan and
when ronald reagan got into office, he started regulating everything. before he got out of office, missouri was losing its shoe factories. in 1991, our factory closed and sold as several others. -- and so did several others. these people are not for the american people. they are out for the rich people in this country and i think it is sad when a democrat gets into office, they turn into bullies. they don't want the democrats to get a thing done. i think it is so pathetic. they are getting paid...
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he wants to sort of suggest and in the same way that they can feel a kinship with ronald reagan when he tried to project a tougher line and ronald reagan won. >> rose: see, charlie, listen, it may work in this campaign. i don't really think so. because what's going on in the arab world today, across the arab world, is a war of ideas. there's a huge civil war across several different fronts going on there today. let's look at what they are. you've got, first of all, the shiite/sunni civil war going on most flagrantly and violently in syria. and it's very much playing out there. at the same time in syria you do have a certain democratic authoritarian overlay to that conflict. at the same time you have a war within islam between the salfy groups and the more mainstream-- in their context-- muslim brotherhood groups. that's what libya was about, that that's what the conflict in egypt was about when it exploded around our embassy. so to blame obama for an internal civil war inside either the arab world or islam i think that's a bit much. that's like blaming george w. bush for 9/11. well,
he wants to sort of suggest and in the same way that they can feel a kinship with ronald reagan when he tried to project a tougher line and ronald reagan won. >> rose: see, charlie, listen, it may work in this campaign. i don't really think so. because what's going on in the arab world today, across the arab world, is a war of ideas. there's a huge civil war across several different fronts going on there today. let's look at what they are. you've got, first of all, the shiite/sunni civil...
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. >> first of all, i was there when ronald reagan gave specifics to what he was going to cut in terms of tax expenditures. 97% of small-business americans paid -- make less than $250,000. amid tell you who some of the other small businesses are. hedge funds that make a hundred million dollars a year. that is what they call as small business. gov. romney on 60 minutes about 10 days ago was asked, you pay 14% on $20 million. somebody making $50,000 face more than that. he said that is fair. that is fair. do you think these guys are going to go out there and cut the loopholes? the biggest loophole they take advantage of is the carriage entrance loophole and the capital gains loophole. the reason that the american enterprise study, the tax policy center study all say taxes will go up on the middle-class is it is the only way you can find at $5 trillion and loopholes as to cut the mortgage deduction for middle-class people, take away their ability to get a tax break to send their kids to college. >> is he wrong about that? >> he is wrong about that. and cut tax rates by 20% and still prese
. >> first of all, i was there when ronald reagan gave specifics to what he was going to cut in terms of tax expenditures. 97% of small-business americans paid -- make less than $250,000. amid tell you who some of the other small businesses are. hedge funds that make a hundred million dollars a year. that is what they call as small business. gov. romney on 60 minutes about 10 days ago was asked, you pay 14% on $20 million. somebody making $50,000 face more than that. he said that is fair....
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>> look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together out of a framework to lower tax rates and broaden the base and worked together to fix that. what we're saying is, here's our framework. lower tax rates 20%. we raise about $1.2 trillion through income taxes. we forego about $1.1 trillion in loopholes and deductions. so what we're saying is, deny those loopholes and deductions to higher income taxpayers so more of their income is taxed which has a broader base of taxation. >> can i translate? >> so we can lower tax rates across the board. here's why i'm saying this. what we're saying -- >> i hope i'm going to get time to respond to this. >> you'll get time. >> we want to work with the congress on how best to achieve this. that means successful. >> no specifics -- >> what we're saying is lower tax rates 20%. start with the wealthy, work with congress to do it. >> you guarantee this math will add up? >> absolutely. six studies guaranteed, verified this math adds up. >> vice president biden? >> let me translate. let m
>> look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together out of a framework to lower tax rates and broaden the base and worked together to fix that. what we're saying is, here's our framework. lower tax rates 20%. we raise about $1.2 trillion through income taxes. we forego about $1.1 trillion in loopholes and deductions. so what we're saying is, deny those loopholes and deductions to higher income taxpayers so more of their income is taxed which has a broader base of...
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. >> look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together to broaden the base and lower tax rates. what we're saying is, here is our frame work. lower tax rates 20%. we raise about $1.2 trillion through income taxes. we forego about $1.1 trillion in loopholes and deductions. so what we're sayg is s >>et to lower tax rates across the board. here's why i'm saying this. >> i hope i'm getting a timed response. >> you'll get time. >> we want to work with congress on how best to achieve this. that means successful -- >> no specifics, again. >> what we're saying is lower tax rates 20%. start with the wealthy. work with congress. >> can you guarantee this math will add up? >> absolutely. >> six study advisory guaranteed. six study advisory verified this math adds up. >> vice president biden. vice president biden. >> let me translate. let me have a chance to translate. >> i'll come back in a second then, right? >> i was there when ronald reagan -- he gave specifics to what he was going to cut, number one, in terms of tax expendit
. >> look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together to broaden the base and lower tax rates. what we're saying is, here is our frame work. lower tax rates 20%. we raise about $1.2 trillion through income taxes. we forego about $1.1 trillion in loopholes and deductions. so what we're sayg is s >>et to lower tax rates across the board. here's why i'm saying this. >> i hope i'm getting a timed response. >> you'll get time. >> we want to work with...
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i was there when ronald reagan -- to give specifics of what he was going to cut. in terms of -- he gave specifics in what he was going to cut. 90% of american businesses make less than 2 luckett $50,000. that counts as businesses. governor romney 10 days ago was asked, you pay 40% on $20 million. some are making $50,000 and paid more than that. do you think that is fair and he said that is fair. you think these guys are going to go out there and cut those loopholes? the loopholes, the biggest loophole that take advantage of is the interest loophole and capital gains loophole. the extent that. there's not enough -- the reason why the aei study, the tax policy center study, the reason they say it will -- taxes will go up on the middle class, the only way you can 5 -- fined $5 trillion is cut the local production. cut the health care deduction, take away their ability to take a tax break to send their kids to college. >> he is wrong about that. you can cut tax rates by 20% and still preserve these preferences for middle-class taxpayers. >> not mathematically possible
i was there when ronald reagan -- to give specifics of what he was going to cut. in terms of -- he gave specifics in what he was going to cut. 90% of american businesses make less than 2 luckett $50,000. that counts as businesses. governor romney 10 days ago was asked, you pay 40% on $20 million. some are making $50,000 and paid more than that. do you think that is fair and he said that is fair. you think these guys are going to go out there and cut those loopholes? the loopholes, the biggest...
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ronald reagan famously said that the soviet union was the evil empire. do you think that russia under vladimir putin is an evil empire? >> i think they've engaged in an evil behavior and i think that it is important that we understand they're not the old soviet union but they still have nationalist impulses that i think are very dangerous. >> senator mccain? >> maybe. >> maybe. >> depends on how we respond to russia and it depends on a lot of things. if i say yes, then that means that we're reigniting the old cold war. if i say no, it ignores their behavior. obviously energy is going to be a big, big factor. and georgia and ukraine are both major gateways of energy into europe. and that's one of the reasons why it's in our interest. but the russians, i think we can deal with them but they've got to understand that they're facing a very firm and determined united states of america that will defend our interests and that of other countries in the world. >> all right. we're going to try to get in two more questions, if we can. so we have to move along. over
ronald reagan famously said that the soviet union was the evil empire. do you think that russia under vladimir putin is an evil empire? >> i think they've engaged in an evil behavior and i think that it is important that we understand they're not the old soviet union but they still have nationalist impulses that i think are very dangerous. >> senator mccain? >> maybe. >> maybe. >> depends on how we respond to russia and it depends on a lot of things. if i say yes,...
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i was there with ronald reagan. he gave specifics in terms of tax expenditures. 97% of the small businesses make less than $250,000. hedge funds that make $600 million a year. let's look at how sincere they are. governor romney on "60 minutes," 10 days ago, was asked, you pay 14% on $20 million. someone making $50,000 pays more than that. do think that is fair? he said, yes, that is fair. you think these guys are going to cut those loopholes? the biggest loophole they take advantage of is that carried interest loophole and capital gains loophole. there is not enough -- the reason why the american enterprise institute study, the reason they all say it is going to go up for the middle class, the only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes is cut the mortgage deduction for middle-class people. cut the health care deduction for middle-class people. that is why -- >> he is wrong about that. >> not mathematically possible. >> it has been done before. >> it has never been done before. >> it has been done a couple of tim
i was there with ronald reagan. he gave specifics in terms of tax expenditures. 97% of the small businesses make less than $250,000. hedge funds that make $600 million a year. let's look at how sincere they are. governor romney on "60 minutes," 10 days ago, was asked, you pay 14% on $20 million. someone making $50,000 pays more than that. do think that is fair? he said, yes, that is fair. you think these guys are going to cut those loopholes? the biggest loophole they take advantage...
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>> first of all, i was there when ronald reagan was there. he gave specifics of what he was going to cut, number one, in terms of tax expenditures. number two, 97% of the small businesses in america make less than $250,000. let me tell you who some of those other small businesses, hedge funds that make $600, $800 million a year. they dhunt as small business. let's look at how sincere they are. governor romney on "60 minutes" about ten days ago was asked, governor, you pay 14% on $20 million. someone making $50,000 paid more than that. do you think that's fair? he said oh, yes, that's fair. that's fair. and they're going to talk -- you think these guys are going to go out there and cut those loopholes? the biggest loophole they take advantage of is the carried interest loophole and capital gains loophole. they exempt that. now, the reason why. aei study, the american enterprise institute study, the tall policy center study, the reason they say taxes are going up on the middle class, the only way you can find $5 trillion in loopholes is cut the
>> first of all, i was there when ronald reagan was there. he gave specifics of what he was going to cut, number one, in terms of tax expenditures. number two, 97% of the small businesses in america make less than $250,000. let me tell you who some of those other small businesses, hedge funds that make $600, $800 million a year. they dhunt as small business. let's look at how sincere they are. governor romney on "60 minutes" about ten days ago was asked, governor, you pay 14% on...
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>> ryan: look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together to lower tax rates and broaden the base and worked together to fix that. we're saying here is our framework, lower tax rates about 20% -- we forgo about $1.1 trillion in loop holes and deductions so what we're saying is deny those loophole and deductions to higher income taxpayers so more of their income is taxed -- >> biden: can i translate. >> ryan: so we can lower tax rates across the board -- >> biden: i hope i'm going to get time to respond -- >> you'll get time. >> ryan: we want to work on how to achieve this -- >> no specifics, then. >> ryan: lower tax rates 20%, start with the wealthy -- >> can you guarantee this math will add up. >> ryan: six studies have verified that this will add up -- >> vice president biden. >> biden: let me have a chance to translate. ronald reagan gave specifics to what he was going to cut number one in terms of tax expenditures. number two 90% of the small businesses in america make less than $250,000. let me tell you who some of
>> ryan: look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together to lower tax rates and broaden the base and worked together to fix that. we're saying here is our framework, lower tax rates about 20% -- we forgo about $1.1 trillion in loop holes and deductions so what we're saying is deny those loophole and deductions to higher income taxpayers so more of their income is taxed -- >> biden: can i translate. >> ryan: so we can lower tax rates across the board --...
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>> first of all, i was there with ronald reagan. he gave specific to what he was going to cut, number one, in terms of tax expenditures. number two, 97% of the small business in america pay less than-- make less than $250,000. let me teal you who some of other small businesses are, hedge funds that make 600, 800 million a year. that's who they count as small business because they're pass-through. let's look at how sincere they e.e. governor romney on "60 minutes--" i guess it was about 10 days ago-- was asked, governor you pay 14% on $20 million. someone making $50,000 pays more than that. do you think that's fair? he said oh, yes, that's they are, that's fair. and they're going-- you think these guys are going to go out there and cut those loopholes. the biggest loophole they take advantage of is the carried interest loophole and capital gains loophole. they exempt that. there's not enough it's reason why the a.a.i. study, the american enterprise institute study, the tax policy study, the reason they say taxes will go up on the mid
>> first of all, i was there with ronald reagan. he gave specific to what he was going to cut, number one, in terms of tax expenditures. number two, 97% of the small business in america pay less than-- make less than $250,000. let me teal you who some of other small businesses are, hedge funds that make 600, 800 million a year. that's who they count as small business because they're pass-through. let's look at how sincere they e.e. governor romney on "60 minutes--" i guess it...
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biden: ronald reagan gave specifics to what he was going to cut, number one. number two, 97% of the small businesses in america pay less -- make less than $250,000. let me tell you who some of those other small businesses are, hedge funds that make six, eight hundred million dollars a year. what they count as small business because they're pass-through. let's look at how sincere they are. ronald -- i mean, excuse me, governor romney on "60 minutes," i guess it was about ten days ago was asked, golf, you pay 14% on $20 million. some are making $50,000 pay more than that. do you think that's fair? he said, oh, yes, that's fair. and they're going to talk -- you think these guys are going to go out there and cut those loopholes? the biggest loophole they take advantage of is the carried interest loophole and capital gains loophole. they exempt that. now, there's not enough -- the reason why the aei study, the american enterprise institute study, the tax policy center study, the reason they all say it's going to go up on the middle class, the only way you can find
biden: ronald reagan gave specifics to what he was going to cut, number one. number two, 97% of the small businesses in america pay less -- make less than $250,000. let me tell you who some of those other small businesses are, hedge funds that make six, eight hundred million dollars a year. what they count as small business because they're pass-through. let's look at how sincere they are. ronald -- i mean, excuse me, governor romney on "60 minutes," i guess it was about ten days ago...
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>> ryan: look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together to lower tax rates and broaden the base and worked together to fix that. we're saying here is our framework, lower tax rates about 20% -- we forgo about $1.1 trillion in loop holes and deductions, so what we're saying is deny those loophole and deductions to higher income taxpayers so more of their income is taxed -- >> biden: can i translate. >> ryan: so we can lower tax rates across the board -- >> biden: i hope i'm going to get time to respond -- >> you'll get time. >> ryan: we want to work on how to achieve this -- >> no specifics, then. >> ryan: lower tax rates 20%, start with the wealthy -- >> can you guarantee this math will add up. >> ryan: six studies have verified that this will add up -- >> vice president biden. >> biden: let me have a chance to translate. ronald reagan gave specifics to what he was going to cut number one in terms of tax expenditures. number two 90% of the small businesses in america make less than $250,000. let me tell you who some of
>> ryan: look at what ronald reagan and tip o'neill did. they worked together to lower tax rates and broaden the base and worked together to fix that. we're saying here is our framework, lower tax rates about 20% -- we forgo about $1.1 trillion in loop holes and deductions, so what we're saying is deny those loophole and deductions to higher income taxpayers so more of their income is taxed -- >> biden: can i translate. >> ryan: so we can lower tax rates across the board --...